Go Back   TBSSOWNERS.com Forums - The #1 TrailblazerSS Dedicated Owners Forum > TBSS Modifications > Power Adders > Superchargers and Turbos

Superchargers and Turbos From Maggies To Kenne Bell To STS

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Jan-26-12, 09:18 AM   #1
3DEVLZ

 
3DEVLZ's Avatar

Real Name: Billy
Member # 659
Join Date: Aug 2007
Status: Offline
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
Posts: 1,107
iTrader: (1)
Casino cash: $262532
Rep Power: 3DEVLZ has a spectacular aura about3DEVLZ has a spectacular aura about
Default Catch can for the TVS1900

Who sells a catch can for use with a TVS1900? I emailed one company yesterday and still haven't heard anything. Thinking they haven't responded because I had the wrong company, can anyone point me in the right direction? I think RX is the only one that works with boosted applications...just looking for someone that sells one.
__________________
SOLD - '07 TBSS AWD
Looking for the next project....
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 09:22 AM   #2
ssam98

 
ssam98's Avatar

Real Name: ssam
Member # 11904
Join Date: Apr 2011
Status: Online
Location: n.y.c
Posts: 3,221
iTrader: (7)
Casino cash: $462936
Rep Power: ssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to behold
Default

Do you have a pcmforless tranny cooler.
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 10:21 AM   #3
3DEVLZ

 
3DEVLZ's Avatar

Real Name: Billy
Member # 659
Join Date: Aug 2007
Status: Offline
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
Posts: 1,107
iTrader: (1)
Casino cash: $262532
Rep Power: 3DEVLZ has a spectacular aura about3DEVLZ has a spectacular aura about
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ssam98 View Post
Do you have a pcmforless tranny cooler.
Yes, but why does that matter?
__________________
SOLD - '07 TBSS AWD
Looking for the next project....
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 01:21 PM   #4
ssam98

 
ssam98's Avatar

Real Name: ssam
Member # 11904
Join Date: Apr 2011
Status: Online
Location: n.y.c
Posts: 3,221
iTrader: (7)
Casino cash: $462936
Rep Power: ssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3DEVLZ View Post
Yes, but why does that matter?
Yes I know its off topic but, I am going to put the same blower and wanted to know were and how to put on tranny cooler with the intercooler. thanks
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 02:09 PM   #5
Bullnettles

 
Bullnettles's Avatar

Real Name: Jared
Member # 9935
Join Date: Dec 2010
Status: Offline
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,874
iTrader: (22)
Casino cash: $678460
Rep Power: Bullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ssam98 View Post
Yes I know its off topic but, I am going to put the same blower and wanted to know were and how to put on tranny cooler with the intercooler. thanks
Mount it in the brake duct, driver's side.
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 03:10 PM   #6
ssam98

 
ssam98's Avatar

Real Name: ssam
Member # 11904
Join Date: Apr 2011
Status: Online
Location: n.y.c
Posts: 3,221
iTrader: (7)
Casino cash: $462936
Rep Power: ssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to beholdssam98 is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullnettles View Post
Mount it in the brake duct, driver's side.
thanks.
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 01:35 PM   #7
1beanie

 
1beanie's Avatar

Real Name: dave
Member # 1079
Join Date: Oct 2007
Status: Offline
Location: new jersey
Posts: 452
iTrader: (2)
Casino cash: $198400
Rep Power: 1beanie will become famous soon enough
Default

i had spoken back and forth with fast motorsports and decided to go with the rx catch can for boosted application.
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 01:36 PM   #8
JD_SS


 
JD_SS's Avatar

Real Name: JD
Member # 855
Join Date: Sep 2007
Status: Offline
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 4,766
iTrader: (7)
Casino cash: $587312
Rep Power: JD_SS is a splendid one to beholdJD_SS is a splendid one to beholdJD_SS is a splendid one to beholdJD_SS is a splendid one to beholdJD_SS is a splendid one to beholdJD_SS is a splendid one to beholdJD_SS is a splendid one to beholdJD_SS is a splendid one to behold
Default

RX Catch can with dual check valves! This way, you always have vacuum, even while under boost. Or make your own and make sure you have 2 vac sources!
__________________
07 3ss awd | 402ci ls2 stroker
jake skull hitch covers

  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 02:27 PM   #9
T-Mac

 
T-Mac's Avatar

Real Name: Tom
Member # 355
Join Date: Jul 2007
Status: Offline
Location: Rockford, IL
Posts: 1,604
iTrader: (6)
Casino cash: $310500
Rep Power: T-Mac is a name known to allT-Mac is a name known to allT-Mac is a name known to allT-Mac is a name known to allT-Mac is a name known to allT-Mac is a name known to all
Default

Hey Billy. Joe and I are coming out with a nice one shortly. Just finished machining the the first prototype (sitting in front of me), and I received the water-jet cut mounting bracket today. Supplied with coalescing filter, 3 fittings, and stainless mounting bracket. I'll post pics a little later tonite. Pricing will be finalized next week. Product will be ready to ship in 3-4 weeks.
__________________
'06 AWD Supercharged SS.
MP112 Maggie, T-Mac Performance Products 2.7 RIP pulley, 8 rib pulley set up, and 100MM intake. 10 lbs. of boost.
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 01:46 PM   #10
Rat Raceway
Oil Rat, Oil & fuel parts



 
Rat Raceway's Avatar

Real Name: Ross
Member # 61
Join Date: Jun 2007
Status: Offline
Location: Mile High, Denver Colorado
Posts: 7,734
iTrader: (11)
Casino cash: $932766
Rep Power: Rat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond repute
Default

TVS blowers have Vacuum under boost in the inlet tube at all times!

No Check valve is required...!
__________________
.....TBSS 11.02@ 123mph 7000DA..............
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 02:36 PM   #11
griffincox

 
griffincox's Avatar

Real Name: Griffin
Member # 11614
Join Date: Mar 2011
Status: Offline
Location: Golden, CO
Posts: 1,726
iTrader: (12)
Casino cash: $311000
Rep Power: griffincox is a jewel in the roughgriffincox is a jewel in the roughgriffincox is a jewel in the roughgriffincox is a jewel in the rough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Raceway View Post
TVS blowers have Vacuum under boost in the inlet tube at all times!

No Check valve is required...!
So the BP catch can I just installed wont be a loss when i put a TVS1900 on?
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 02:39 PM   #12
Bullnettles

 
Bullnettles's Avatar

Real Name: Jared
Member # 9935
Join Date: Dec 2010
Status: Offline
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,874
iTrader: (22)
Casino cash: $678460
Rep Power: Bullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond reputeBullnettles has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by griffincox View Post
So the BP catch can I just installed wont be a loss when i put a TVS1900 on?
Nope, mine works like a champ.
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 02:47 PM   #13
Rat Raceway
Oil Rat, Oil & fuel parts



 
Rat Raceway's Avatar

Real Name: Ross
Member # 61
Join Date: Jun 2007
Status: Offline
Location: Mile High, Denver Colorado
Posts: 7,734
iTrader: (11)
Casino cash: $932766
Rep Power: Rat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullnettles View Post
Nope, mine works like a champ.
^This
__________________
.....TBSS 11.02@ 123mph 7000DA..............
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 01:59 PM   #14
Rat Raceway
Oil Rat, Oil & fuel parts



 
Rat Raceway's Avatar

Real Name: Ross
Member # 61
Join Date: Jun 2007
Status: Offline
Location: Mile High, Denver Colorado
Posts: 7,734
iTrader: (11)
Casino cash: $932766
Rep Power: Rat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond reputeRat Raceway has a reputation beyond repute
Default

IMO The biggest thing in a catch can is something for the air/oil to be filtered!

Some cans have the flow feed right into a divider for the air to hit and remove the oil vapor and save it in the can. You dont want the air to just flow in and flow out without filtering the oil someway.
__________________
.....TBSS 11.02@ 123mph 7000DA..............
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 03:03 PM   #15
3DEVLZ

 
3DEVLZ's Avatar

Real Name: Billy
Member # 659
Join Date: Aug 2007
Status: Offline
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
Posts: 1,107
iTrader: (1)
Casino cash: $262532
Rep Power: 3DEVLZ has a spectacular aura about3DEVLZ has a spectacular aura about
Default

Thanks Ross!

@ Tom, can't wait to see it!
__________________
SOLD - '07 TBSS AWD
Looking for the next project....
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 03:09 PM   #16
Bracket Racer
 
Bracket Racer's Avatar

Real Name: N/A
Member # 9390
Join Date: Sep 2010
Status: Offline
Location: West Central Florida
Posts: 9
iTrader: (0)
Casino cash: $51700
Rep Power: Bracket Racer is on a distinguished road
Default

Proper crankcase evacuation is probably the most misunderstood system on an build today and it dosen't matter how experianced or famous a shop/builder/tech is, it is simply not understood.

The main reason most modify their OEM system is to eliminate the oil ingestion into the intake air charge. Many simply delete the system and releive pressure through breathers or (yes, short lived motors) open hoses. This is fine for releiving pressure and eliminating the path of ingestion, but if the suspended combustion by-products are not evacuated while still in a gasseous state then during cool down they condese and drop into the oil and then you begin the path to shrotened engine life.

The main culprits:

Abrasive carbon particles: Many are to small to be filtered out by the oil filter and as the content builds up the accelerated wear to the bearings, journals, and pistons strats to take its toll.

Water. Especcially with todays ethanol added fuels water is absorbed like a sponge and it mixes with other hydrocarbons to form sulfuric acid (get an engine oil analysis to see) which after so many PPM starts to etch the bearing and journal surfaces.

Un-burnt fuel:

Contaminates and dilutes the oil and its ability to protect.

There are a ton more but these are the main damage causing compounds.

If you are not flushing and evacuating these out of the crankcase each time it is running at operating temp you are accelerating wear.

Now, a NA engine can be evacuated by the intake manifold vacuum alone, and with a properly designed oil separating catchcan installed on the "dirty side" of the PCV system, this is eliminated. The problem is most cans are nothing but any empty container with 2 fittings added so even though some oil will condense (same as a beer can) most is simply pulled right through and still causes detonation and carbon & gunk build-up.

Typical intake manifold from ANY modern car or light truck (yes, they all have this issue):


ALL claim to be the best, but here are some examples:


the can on the left is a popular one branded by a dozen or so companies...Mike Norros & CCA are 2. It draws in the vapors through the top, and there is a small chamber with scotchbrite material in that traps the oil that then drips down into the lower portion to be drained later. It works quite well and only lets a small amount through mainly due to the outlet being only 1" from the drops as they fall. The smaller drops do get sucked through and into the intake aircharge, but the majority is trapped. Good can.
The top one is from AMW and is near identical to the ELite in design.....works excellent.

The one on the right is an Ebay can and is just empty so most oil laden vapors just do a U turn and right out. Junk.



so is this totally empty but nice looking unit:


The far left is Billet Prototypes, Drevolution, DiabloSport, etc. All made by Billet Prototypes.

It is one of the best looking and quality second to none in appearance, but is one of the worst performing of all the well known units. Look at the top portion. It has the inlet & outlet in the same chamber separated by a divider with machine scrap (works well) as the coalesing material. This all works ine except it is on BOTH the inlet & outlet sides and as the vapors are flowing through, the saturated material just keeps the oil right at the outlet so it pulls right through. In tests it probably allows 30-40% of the oil to pull through. Simply remove one side and label it as the outlet and its function nearly doubles. When the motor is not running and there is no flow to pull the oil through the saturated material does drop the oil down into the bottom collection chamber and again, you will see oil caught, but its what gets through that you DONT want.

The RX can on the right has 7" between the inlet & outlet and the vapors enter the top center fitting, travel into the condensing chamber where the tube is perforated and dispreses the gasses to begine condensing, where they then are forced to the outer cooling surface and then have to work past the upper disc separating the outlet chamber. It then exits through a flow controlling oneway checkvalve that prevents the gasses from flowing to fast, and also prevents reversion or back-flow at WOT. This and the Siakou Micchi tested the most effective of allboth allowing no or almpst no detectable oil to pull through. To test any can, simply pick up a clear glass inline fuel filter from any autoparts store ($8-$12) and install it inline between any can outlet and the intake manifold and you can test any can for oil pull through and effectivness.

The cans we have tested and rate excellent are:
Elite Engineering
AMW
Mike Norris/CCA
Saikou Micchi
RX Performance

The RX performance is the only one with integrated flow controlling checkvalves and the only one made for turbo or front mount SC applications.The RX & Saikou Micchi both trapped all or nearly all the oil.

With a top mount SC this is an intercooler after 6k miles w/no proper can (Livernoise does not believe in catch cans and states this is good for the motor & SC:



As you can see, the amount of varnish and reidue build up has already in 6k miles insultated a good amount of the IC's ability to transfer heat and appears app 15% clogged/obstructed as far as air flow through so imagine 20-30k miles what the effects are.

A top mount SC does not pressurize the intake manifold so any NA can can work. The issue is at WOT where there can be some reversion if not checkvalve eqquipped. The other factor is the size of most cans will allow then to be overwhelmed if there is any substaintial boost as all motors have a certain amount of blow-by. So look at the larger capacity to be able to deal with the increased demands.

Now a turbo or front mount system will pressurize the intake manifold so this is where I see 99% done dead wrong. Even with a one way checkvalve, when under boost there is NO evac taking place and the excess crankcase pressure will force oil into the inlet side of the head unit and this causes several issues. First, the detonation issues from the oil ingestion.
Second, the turbine wheels are extremely fine balanced and any residue or varnish from the oil ingestion will cause the balance to become uneven and then your looking at shortened life.

Most turbo or front mount SC systems vent into the air filter and just compound this.

My solution is to use the RX Stage Two dual valve system. Theprimary valve allows the intake manifold to provide proper crankcase evac when not in boost, and as soon as it detects positie atmosphere in the intake it closes and the secondary valve opens using the turbine inlet suction. The can traps all the oil so at no time is there contamination, and the crankcase is properly evacuated during both boost & non-boost operation. We then use the RX flow controlling checkvalved breather and cap the OEM fresh air path so there is no oil entering via the "clean side".

Now, for the monster big boost builds there is their ultimate:





It dosent fit into tight spots, but with -8 or -10 AN fittings and hoses, high flow one way checkvalves, and over 1 qt capacity it has prevented any oil ingestion on even the wildest 21 plus #boost 1000 plus RWHP builds.

From here lets try questions and answers. I'm not here to sell anything, just share a lifetime of experiance & knowledge in the racing industry.
Now on to

Last edited by Bracket Racer; Jan-26-12 at 03:11 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 03:12 PM   #17
Bracket Racer
 
Bracket Racer's Avatar

Real Name: N/A
Member # 9390
Join Date: Sep 2010
Status: Offline
Location: West Central Florida
Posts: 9
iTrader: (0)
Casino cash: $51700
Rep Power: Bracket Racer is on a distinguished road
Default

Just to clarify as I just read the post on the BP can. It may be catching oil as outlined above, but lets more through than any but the ebay ones. Try the pull through test I describe to see for yourself.
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 03:38 PM   #18
1beanie

 
1beanie's Avatar

Real Name: dave
Member # 1079
Join Date: Oct 2007
Status: Offline
Location: new jersey
Posts: 452
iTrader: (2)
Casino cash: $198400
Rep Power: 1beanie will become famous soon enough
Default

Wow great read man and info thanks for all the awesome info It is more than helpfully and answered a lot of my questions.
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-26-12, 06:29 PM   #19
T-Mac

 
T-Mac's Avatar

Real Name: Tom
Member # 355
Join Date: Jul 2007
Status: Offline
Location: Rockford, IL
Posts: 1,604
iTrader: (6)
Casino cash: $310500
Rep Power: T-Mac is a name known to allT-Mac is a name known to allT-Mac is a name known to allT-Mac is a name known to allT-Mac is a name known to allT-Mac is a name known to all
Default

Great info Bracket Racer. Without going into too much detail, this catch can is designed with a coalescing filter for air/oil separation. It is both easily removable and cleanable. Built into the top of the filter is a large deflector flange that swirls the incoming air to the side of the can, allowing oil to run down the side to the bottom. Fittings have barbs for the hoses and does not require clamps, giving you a cleaner looking install. The bracket can be located at any position around the perimeter, and can be mounted tab up or tab down to suit your mounting requirements. Here are a few pics. More to come later...



__________________
'06 AWD Supercharged SS.
MP112 Maggie, T-Mac Performance Products 2.7 RIP pulley, 8 rib pulley set up, and 100MM intake. 10 lbs. of boost.
  Reply With Quote
Old Jan-27-12, 06:56 AM   #20
Bracket Racer
 
Bracket Racer's Avatar

Real Name: N/A
Member # 9390
Join Date: Sep 2010
Status: Offline
Location: West Central Florida
Posts: 9
iTrader: (0)
Casino cash: $51700
Rep Power: Bracket Racer is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Mac View Post
Great info Bracket Racer. Without going into too much detail, this catch can is designed with a coalescing filter for air/oil separation. It is both easily removable and cleanable. Built into the top of the filter is a large deflector flange that swirls the incoming air to the side of the can, allowing oil to run down the side to the bottom. Fittings have barbs for the hoses and does not require clamps, giving you a cleaner looking install. The bracket can be located at any position around the perimeter, and can be mounted tab up or tab down to suit your mounting requirements. Here are a few pics. More to come later...



Looks nice....pics of the inside? The descroption sounds effective also. Get us some pics of the inside and do the clear filter pull-through test and post it up. :thumbsup:
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:54 AM.

 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vB.Sponsors
Copyright 2007-2009 Tony Lukezic